The Aston Martin DB9 BBK Retrofit for E46 M3 is a new set up that I have been testing for the last few months. A few months ago we did a guide to do an Brembo E31 retrofit on the E46 M3, but this one is slightly different. Both are 4-piston calipers, but the calipers can be bought for a little cheaper than the E31. Nonetheless this retrofit is not very well known in the community, but it sure is a great one. I first came across the idea from Milla Bimmer on E46 M3 Owners Only Club on Facebook so a big shout out to her for letting me know about the kit. If you’re interested in the market to upgrade your brakes, but don’t want to spend thousands on a new kit, take a read.
What’s great about this setup is that the calipers do not require any machining and the adapter kit includes an upgradable bracket that allows for either stock 325mm or 345mm CSL rotors to be used. You will need the VagBremTechnic kit which costs about $260 USD shipped. VagBremTechnic is based in the UK and supply very high quality adapters and brake lines. From UK to California, I received my kit in 2 days upon ordering from them. This means no rust rings since the design fully sweeps for both rotor setups. The fitment is pretty much perfect and you can tell that detailed attention was paid to the machined parts. The piston sizes are well matched to the stock brake system with only about a 1.7% piston area decrease, meaning that the pedal distance/feel will feel extremely OE. It also retains the more of the stock brake bias with 40/44mm pistons compared to the much smaller 36/40mm pistons in the 996 front calipers. Technically, its a tad bit more front biased than stock brake bias than the 996 setup.
We are getting a lot of comments on the article’s lack of emphasis on brake bias or too much emphasis on brake bias. These are my thoughts, I have tried out rear bias and front bias before in the past as well as mixing pads to adjust bias via the coefficients. There isn’t anything wrong with oem brake bias or shifting bias to rears or front per say. As long as you can adjust compression and adjust your braking threshold to compensate. It is important to note balance is key at the track. Professional drivers will want adjustable rear bias before rears break traction to maximize braking zones but this is more of 10/10 driving all out. For majority of HPDE drivers, a neutral or slightly rear is preferred to maximize driver confidence instead in order to improve lap times as you will have a bigger buffer zone for mistakes while still having the ability to trail brake effectively. A setup that has too much front bias will induce understeer characteristics but a slight front bias would behave the same as stock bias. Either way, you can mix and match pads with different coefficients to get it just right. But for the general street setup, you want as OEM as you can get. -Oscar
Front Bias: High understeer characteristics
Slight Front Bias: Slight understeer characteristics
Stock Bias: Slight understeer characteristics
Slight Rear Bias: Neutral
Rear Bias: Snap oversteer characteristics
Bias Comparison (Calculator Courtesy of CLAWHAMM3R on m3forum):
Update 8/30/2019: User Mr. T-Rex suggested the calculation used for CLAWHAMM3R’s formula included a 54mm front brake pad and not a 61mm pad, which it seems, therefore the stock ZCP ratio should be 1:76. This is not confirmed.
- 345mm DB9 + 996 Rear = 68.52% Front 31.48% Rear
- Stock M3 + Stock M3 Rear = 66.87% Front 33.13% Rear
- 325mm DB9 + Stock M3 Rear = 65.89% Front 34.11% Rear
- CSL Front + CSL Rear = 64.37% Front 35.63% Rear
- 996 Front + 996 Rear = 64.06% Front 35.94% Rear
- 325mm DB9 + 996 Rear = 63.91% Front 36.09% Rear
Front: 2004-2009 Aston Martin DB9 4 Piston or Audi TTRS 8J 4 Piston or Audi RS3 8P 4 Piston
Rear: Porsche 996 Base
Aston Martin DB9 calipers can be found on eBay for about $250 per caliper used or about $466 new on parts stores. If you scout eBay enough, you can find them for dirt cheap on the used market. You can also use Audi TTRS 8J model or RS3 8P model but you will have to flip the calipers since they are reversed from Audi.
The downside running the 345mm setup is that 345mm CSL are soft and do wear out quicker than most. You may need to replace them more often, but lucky for us, FCPEuro has lifetime warranty. OEM 18” wheels will require 16mm spacers per side for a 325mm disc, and 12mm for a 345mm disc. Unfortunately, there is no 355mm rotor pairing for this kit. If you want to upgrade from 325mm or 345mm rotors, you need to get the VagBremTechnic kit for the AP Racing 362mm rotors. This 362mm kit is quite costly and may not clear 18” wheels. We believe that optimal rotor size for the track should be 345-365mm; any larger may not yield much more benefit.
OEM 18″ wheels require wheel spacers:
On the 325mm disc a minimum of 16mm per side
On the 345mm disc a minimum of 12mm per side & be cautious of wheel weights.
My Current Setup
- Aston Martin DB9 Front
- Porsche 996 Rear
- VagBremTechnic Kit + 345mm CSL rotors
- Carbotech XP12/XP10 track pads
- Endless brake fluid
- Titanium brake pad shims
Caliper Performance
I went to test this setup at Streets of Willow on 10/28/2018 and was extremely pleased with the performance. Upon first lap, I noticed that the linear braking was drastically improved. I was able to extend in a much later braking zone over my previous E31 BBK setup due to larger rotors and pad size. There was zero brake fade and braking stayed consistent throughout all my sessions thanks to Endless brake fluid. When paired with Hankook TD C30 tires, I was very confident to brake at an excess of 1G, according to my Aim Data. I didn’t notice any pad knockback despite pulling close to 1.77Gs while cornering. I believe the titanium shims helped with reducing the amount of piston travel needed to contact the pad again. The increased rotor size of 345mm dissipated heat well and with just hints of glazing. The floating nature of the 345mm aided in weight reduction and made the vehicle more responsive to steering inputs.
This is by far my favorite retrofit setup with the 996 rears and is highly recommended for a budget BBK system. In comparison to the stock 325mm rotors, the 345mm CSL rotors are well worth the price in exchange for performance. Aesthetics-wise, these look visually bigger than the 996 front calipers as well. This setup has both form and function in my opinion.
Parts List
Below are the parts list for the DB9 retrofit. There are links included with pricing information, however we suggest you shop around with the part number (if given) to get the best current market price. As a side note, the DB9 part number has two X’s at the end. These are variable letters depending on the color of the caliper – the part is the same. If you want to see the parts list for the Brembo 996 rear caliper, check it out on our Brembo E31 996 Big Brake Kit article.
Aston Martin DB9 Calipers
Part | Part Name | Orientation | P/N | Price | Link |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Caliper | Aston Martin DB9 4 Piston (2004-2009) | Right | 4G43-2C462-XX | $465.63 | https://goo.gl/nBHtX8 |
Caliper | Aston Martin DB9 4 Piston (2004-2009) | Left | 4G43-2C463-XX | $465.63 | https://goo.gl/HZ2yjv |
Rotor | 345x28 CSL Rotor | Left | 34112282445 | $222.18 | https://goo.gl/ZpydJb |
Rotor | 345x28 CSL Rotor | Right | 34112282446 | $222.18 | https://goo.gl/Nq5vbz |
Brake Pad | Aston Martin DB9 Front 2004-2009 | N/A | FMSI D1165 | $220 | |
Shims | Titanium Brake Pad Shims | N/A | N/A | $105.99 | https://goo.gl/p1XT5a |
Kit | Vagbremtechnic Front Caliper Carrier Kit | N/A | AK0007 | $268.72 | https://goo.gl/D7oA3N |
As listed on Vagbremtechnic’s site, below are some of the available brake pads but not conclusive:
- Pagid Road Front Brake Pad Set (T3132)
- Mintex Road Front Brake Pad Set (MDB1859)
- Mintex M1144 Race Front Brake Pad Set (MDB1859M1144)
- Mintex M1155 Race Front Brake Pad Set (MDB1859M1155)
- Mintex M1166 Race Front Brake Pad Set (MDB1859M1166)
- Ferodo DS2500 Race Front Brake Pad Set (FRP3067H)
- Ferodo DS3000 Race Front Brake Pad Set (FRP3067R)
- Pagid RS4-2 Race Front Brake Pad Set (E2487RS42)
- Pagid RS29 Race Front Brake Pad Set (E2487RS29)
- Project Mu H16 Race Front Brake Pad Set (F906-H16)
BBK at a fraction of the price, and good looks
Summary
Affordable and great looking Brembo calipers from an Aston Martin DB9 that can be plug-and-play on the E46 M3 with adapter brackets. Direct bolt-on and no machining required for adapters. Vagbremtechnic kit comes with everything you need for install. Increase brake performance without disrupting your stock brake bias paired with the 996 rear calipers.
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Just came here to let you all know that I just reached out to Vagbremtechnic and they told me they do not supply parts to the US anymore. Are there any other companies who make a caliper carrier kit for the Aston Martin calipers?
Are the DB9 front brake calipers are the same as the Vantage?
Anyone know pad shape? Trying to see if pfc offers a pad. Specifically pfc 08
I just finished this DIY. Used brand new rotors all around with brand new EBC red stuff pads. On the rear, I used the 996 front pads with the noise dampening shims. For some reason, the rear squeaks really loudly. Worse than track pads. I’ve tried bedding the brakes in, but to no avail. Any idea why this is happening? Should I change to a different compound?
It sounds like the coating is still on the pad and it may take a few hundred miles of driving for the noise to stop. Initially I was going to suggest to try some anti-brake squeal lubricant, but if it’s loud I don’t think that’s the issue. If you want immediate answers, I would swap in a different set of rear pads. Let me know how it goes.
Im a little late to the party. But I just found this article. I never heard of this combinations and I think it is quite rare in Germany (maybe due to the lack of Aston Martins). Will the overall brake performance better than the CSL front and standard rear combination?
I am running the CSL disks on a MK20 M3 E46 and in my opinion the brake isn’t as strong as I would want it to be. Currently using endless brake pads. Don’t get me wrong, it is not too bad. Just would like a 10% increase of braking power. An ST60 or AP would be an overkill. Only using the car on track (Nordschleife).
Oh yeah and any news on the longevity of the calipers? I wanted to install the m performance calipers (135i) but Ive heard negative feedback about it. Melting pistons and stuff.
DB9 front / 996 rear combination is going to be a little more front bias compared to CSL front/rear according to our latest brake bias calculations, but the piston size is larger in the DB9 44/40mm so your braking should improve. The definition of “connotation” of improve may differ though depending on your use case. For track guys, they like a little bit of rear bias. Check out the brake bias calculations: https://thebuildjournal.com/tech-guides/e46-m3-bbk-brake-bias-guide-why-the-megane-rs-trophy-r-is-the-best/
If you’re looking for stopping power, brake pad is the answer. There are more aggressive friction compounds to get you to stop faster and with added stainless steel lines the pedal should feel more solid. Larger pistons and caliper do help with stopping power, but nothing a stronger compound can’t do.
As for longevity, it’s a rubber dust boot seal around the pistons so you’ll probably need to change out the boots eventually. As long as the brake system is not overheating, the calipers should see a normal lifetime. After all these are OEM manufactured brakes for sports car.
Great write-up! Will these clear ZCP wheels without spacers?
just got a set of DB9 calipers for a really good price from a guy that works in Aston Martin, they should fit my apex ARC-8 18×9.5 i do have spacers now hopefully i wont have to remove them. my question is about the brake pads which one of the listed brake pads would you recommend for street use ? and which for the track ? thank you
It’s a pretty common pad shape so you can run a lot of pads. If it’s for street you can try the Hawk HPS pads or Stoptech Sport pads which we really like. For track application, Oscar has been happy with Carbotech XP10 although now there is a G-Loc variation that is supposed to be better. Project Mu is the best if you have enough to spend.
Andrew Thanks for the reply i will try the Hawk see how the feel i had the Stoptech sport in my old 135i and i was very happy, now stupid question when i am choose 2009 aston martin db9 and trying to search for pads i cant find anything, whats the car i am supposed to use in my search ? :/
Try year variations from 2004-09 for the Aston Martin DB9. Also you can look it up by brake pad shape which is FMSI D1165.
When you refer to clearance issues with bmw 18’s, are you referring to a square setup with the 18×9.5 up front still requiring spacers?
Yeah that’s in reference to an 18×9.5 ET35 Apex ARC-8 wheel.
I’ve been doing some research about this and it seems that Clawhamm3r’s calculations for the stock/zcp setup are wrong because he uses a 54mm front brake pad diameter where he should use 61mm? This would make the stock ZCP ratio 1:76
That’s a great observation. I’ve updated with your findings on the article. Thanks. 🙂
Picked up a set of 18×9 et 30 wheels while I consider Apex’s upcoming forged wheel offerings or Titan7s. will the DB9 calipers fit without spacers on an et 30 offset wheel?
It’s gonna cut it very close but I think at most you’ll need a small spacer. But most importantly it’s gonna depend on the wheel spoke shape.
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They are Tirerack TE37 copies TRMotorsport C4s, found them through the buildjournal wheel guide as well!
But that tuning cable tho… 🤔
Have the part numbers for the TTRS or RS3 calipers?
I don’t have the part numbers but “Reversed Audi TTRS (8J) / RS3 (8P) Calipers” so search 8J and 8P.
I was able to install my db9 calipers yesterday. I noticed that the inner pad is contacting the rotor and I had to use a dead blow to get the pad in. Is there a reason why it is like this? I’m thinking I may have to mill the bracket 1 or 2 mm on the mounting side just to free up the pads.
What pad is it? If it’s an endurance pad or thicker pad than usual, may that be the culprit? Also are you running titanium backing plates? Anything else on the back of the pad that you don’t need? I hope you didn’t damage your pistons.
Stoptech pads. But yes I didnt think of that. I hope I didn’t damage my pistons either. But I just looked at the pictures again and I may have to flip the damn bracket around because it has an offset for the caliper.
Andrew, I flipped the brackets. It fits better now. The piston is left unharmed buy unfortunately, my dust seal is damaged. They do have the seal replacement kit out there right?
Damn bummer. Yeah they do have the kids readily available and I think my buddy got them off of Amazon last time. DM me on Instagram and remind me to get that part number for you.
Sounds good, bro
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C03EME/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Thanks, is that enough to fix one caliper? 2 bigger deals and 2 smaller? All I need is to fix is one side of each calipers
Andrew,
How reliable is Vagbremtechnic? I ordered the front brackets with the brake line and they told me it would take 4 days for them to ship it out due to the brake line being backordered. But it was almost a week n half that I didnt hear from them so I emailed them and they said it was suppose to ship out a few days again and gave me a tracking number but the number doesn’t work. I emailed them that it didnt work and they told me wait til Tuesday for the number to work. But it did not so I emailed them and they haven’t gotten back to me yet. What carrier uses a tracking number starting with 3TV?
Did you guys try combination of front BMW Performance 6pt Caliper from 135i M pkg with 996 rear?
We do not recommend them as they are not good calipers at all. The pistons are prone to cracking under pressure. Most 135i owners switch to stoptech ST40.
https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221203
@matt O please take a look at the calculator it has the most up to date equations and calculations as to determine brake bias.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RvbjuaHjpRbLzNMQ-5AbIk2iiVMBb3Ofn53HEsyKDC8/edit#gid=1324536543
It will let you do some more configurations.
How does this setup compare to Stoptech ST-40 Kit
My track wheels are TE37 in 18×9.5+22. Will the brakes clear without spacers? Have you tested it on other popular wheel sizes? 9.5+35, 18×10+25 etc?
Hey Alex, it will clear with ease.
Can you leave the stock rear calipers?
With this you can. The bias will be towards the front, but going towards the front is okay opposed to bias going to the rear e.g. when people put 996 calipers in the front.
https://thebuildjournal.com/tech-guides/brake-bias-chart-e46-m3/